Monday, 7 March 2011

Episode 11 and 12 Discussion 122

The double bill of episodes tonight are looking good.

Here is quite a detailed summary, so read at your own risk, the episode titles are at the end of the description.

The two photographs used in this post are from Nick Wauters behind the scene's exclusive photo collection

President Martinez and his longtime Chief of Staff charge the intelligence community with decrypting Thomas' satellite message, but more importantly determining to whom it was sent.


While they are distracted, Thomas unveils a surprise attack, but he does not anticipate a heroic stand-off with Blake Sterling, who learns an important lesson about Sleepers from Maya.

Meanwhile, newly appointed Alaskan Senator Catherine Lewis threatens to divulge information about the Mt. Inostranka detention facility on an episode of Hardball with Chris Matthews.

Elsewhere, Sean and Leila get a fresh lead on the whereabouts of Samantha, but it leads them to a dramatic turn in their lives. James Dempsey foresees that he and Sean will once again cross paths.

Episode titles -

Series 1 Episode 11 - And Then There Were More

Series 1 Episode 12 - Inostranka

122 comments:

maven said...

First...in a long time!!

Really like the way this might be headed according to all the promos! Time will tell.

Zort70 said...

Hope it is as good as it sounds !

I'll check in tomorrow morning and find out.

SG_Tess said...

Hi Guys
Yes the promos have been promising. Hope it pays off too.

SG_Tess said...

I just read the front page. I wasn't going to at first. When did Dempsey and Sean cross paths before?

Zort70 said...

I think it is because Dempsey knows about him and Leila and that he killed Dempsey's man.

SG_Tess said...

Ok, It made soound like they met face to face at some point before.

NBCTheEvent had this tweet.

NBCTheEvent Have you seen this preview for tonight's episode of #TheEvent? Who do you think Simon is talking about? http://bit.ly/hGlNOl

I think they might be talking about Dempsey.

Just Thinking said...

Honestly- I have to get back into it and remember who is who! But it'll all come back, I'm sure.

SG_Tess said...

Spring season begins.

LotteryTicket said...

hi watching, kinda. dinner here.

Black Swan said...

I'm here! The first part here is showing two of our local NBC news anchors, LOL.

I've heard this is good tonight and it's all I know.

Hope you're all doing well and nice to be back!

SG_Tess said...

Hi Black Swan!

SG_Tess said...

oops you too LT Hi!

Black Swan said...

Hi, sayid'sgirl! How's it going?

Black Swan said...

Hi Maven! Congrats on being first!

Hi, LT and Zort!

LotteryTicket said...

Hi Tess and BS. This is how the pilot should have started!

Black Swan said...

Yeah, good stuff!

LotteryTicket said...

oh, it's a FDW!

LotteryTicket said...

or a stargate!

Black Swan said...

FDW?

SG_Tess said...

I'm good Black Swan. Funny the had your local news anchors.

Just Thinking said...

Hello guys! Is everyone seeing it now? Or later viewing for some?

Just Thinking said...

B Swan- Frozen Donkey Wheel

Black Swan said...

oh, thanks JT.... Duh, been away from Lost for too long (and from this show, just trying to keep up here_)

Black Swan said...

So there, Sophia..

Black Swan said...

So there, Sophia..

Just Thinking said...

Hmm, Sophia's going to shoot someone in the knee again if Michael keeps this up!

SG_Tess said...

Don't feel bad BS I didn't catch the FDW right away either.

Looks like Sophia has a mutiny on her hands.

Just Thinking said...

Ah- there's the video that was "leaked" of the truck.

LotteryTicket said...

glad the leila running is over. . . or is it? brwaahahahaha

ObFuSc8 said...

Hey all -- Lotto, Tess Swan, JT!

Got caught up in time to watch live tonight. Only missed the first couple minutes.

SG_Tess said...

Hi Ob!

ObFuSc8 said...

Huh. Security at the Inostranka facility seems lax.

Black Swan said...

Hi ObFuSc8! You didn't miss much.. wow, this is really full of action tonight!

LotteryTicket said...

hi Ob_ glad you caught up . . .

Just Thinking said...

Hi OB! Looks like Sterling wants to use that plan to exterminate the prisoners that they talked about before.

ObFuSc8 said...

He said he'd do anything to protect his country. Besides I think he really wants to eliminate Thomas.

Black Swan said...

I wonder if there's someone (other than his girlfriend who got shot by Sophia) that would take over as leader to continue with Thomas's plan if he somehow got killed?

ObFuSc8 said...

Do Hybrids age at the same rate as humans, or were the Hybrid children all given a form of whatever Dempsey is testing to age at the rate humans do?

Why were all the children Dempsey took girls?

LotteryTicket said...

IGC 253 = HOME

LotteryTicket said...

ALIENS

Just Thinking said...

I think it's M something- the Messier catalog of stars?

ObFuSc8 said...

NGC 253
is the brightest member of the Sculptor group of galaxies, which is grouped around the South galactic pole (

LotteryTicket said...

http://louisville-astro.org/astronomy-classroom/the-sculptor-galaxy-ngc-253

LotteryTicket said...

http://www.aao.gov.au/images/captions/aat023.html

SG_Tess said...

NGC253
http://seds.org/messier/xtra/ngc/n0253.html

ObFuSc8 said...

sometimes called the Silver Dollar Galaxy, and one of the brightest spiral galaxies visible10 million lightyears away, 70 thousand light-years across -- also known to be a strong source of high-energy x-rays and gamma rays, likely due to massive black holes near the galaxy's center.

ObFuSc8 said...

Mutiny among the EBE's!!!

Hahahaha -- EBE still makes me laugh!

Black Swan said...

Good questions, OB.. I would guess that hybrids age faster than pure aliens, but slower than humans. I'm thinking there's something really special about hybrids, but I have no idea why those taken by Dempsey were all girls. We were guessing that Dempsey was developing something to make him appear aged (and thus protection the fact that he was an alien). Maybe they took all girls because with the two X chromosomes, they wouldn't die with the testing (if it was something to do with dna)

ObFuSc8 said...

This looks bad sir... you're not John Locke and th Island never needed you

ObFuSc8 said...

Corporal Whathisname is annoying.

ObFuSc8 said...

Mini-purge?

Black Swan said...

LOL, Ob... they're not Thomas' ppl, they're Sophia's ppl..

SG_Tess said...

Black Holes. hmmm

Black Swan said...

I see the Lost connections here.. Richard didn't age either, there's a purge, some 'others' are nice, some not so nice, there's a box...

ObFuSc8 said...

;) Swan

Feels silly, Sophia having Michael tell Leila Shaun can't go with them instead of telling him herself.

SG_Tess said...

Corporal Whathisname is the guy who played Al Goth on Flash Forward. Looks like he's going to die again.

ObFuSc8 said...

He must have a redshirt on under his fatigues

ObFuSc8 said...

You'd think other countries would have detected that satellite launch and broadcast...

ObFuSc8 said...

Figured Shaun would run away

Black Swan said...

I can't believe Sterling took her advice to run. Even harder to believe he's not dead..

Just Thinking said...

Well, she was the only one I thought had hero potential so far- aand, she's gone.

SG_Tess said...

What is that?

SG_Tess said...

That was an awesome promo. Looks like this show just might pick up.

Just Thinking said...

Showing people in events of past and future?

Black Swan said...

JT, I know what you mean.. IMO that part was stupid and unrealistic with them both running from the truck and getting shot. That girl must have pledged her loyalty to Thomas to not have been part of the mini=purge.

whoa, the previews for next week are really something.

SG_Tess said...

Yep Sean made her decision for her.
Just how old is Dempsey. Guess he's an EBE but is he from Sophia's group or has he been there longer?

Black Swan said...

That past, present, future thing with Dempsey playing those game pieces on that board was weird.. we need to know more about him!

ObFuSc8 said...

I agree Tess, the promo looks more interesting than anything we've seen so far.

Black Swan said...

Dempsey is like Jacob or MIL, huh? Bigger than Sophia, bigger than Thomas, bigger than the president.. I still think he was experimenting with those girls for a potion to make him appear old to others, not as a fountain of youth for himself.

Just Thinking said...

I wonder what the "others" are going to transmit back that changes things for Thomas?

ObFuSc8 said...

Yeah, that table/board seemed to be some kind of diagram of timelines. It didn't really look like any space-time diagram I'm familiar with though. I'll have to look at screencaps later.

The suggestion of timelines makes me think the possibility of black holes in NGC 253 are significant.

Swan, we definitely need to know more about Doctor Dempsey. While he doesn't seem human, Sophia/Thomas's ppl don't act as if they know anything about him either though Michael Buchanan seemed to have stumbled onto Dempsey's project.

ObFuSc8 said...

JT - Whatever it is, it seems like Thomas and Sophia reunited in that scene in POTUS office.

That's surprising that Sophia would reconcile in any way with Thomas after what we just saw him do. Executing the detainees that didn't side with him was extreme

SG_Tess said...

The suggestion of timelines makes me think the possibility of black holes in NGC 253 are significant.

I agree. From thet time the plane was taken I've thought black holes might be sigificant.

SG_Tess said...

Promos can be tricky though. The one for this episode made it look like the Preident was talking to Sophia when he was talking about Pandora's box.

Just Thinking said...

Ob, yes I noticed Thomas & Sophia together too. What could make Thomas want to work with her either? What could threaten both of them that much?

SG_Tess said...

Maybe the answer Thomas got back.
They've been waiting 66 years on a planet that isn't viable.

Black Swan said...

I think Dempsey is in a category of his own, yet still an alien. Possibly the highest leader of their planet and Sophia and Thomas are just small-time next to him. It would make sense that the main leader wouldn't be left at their home planet if it wasn't totally safe for his well-being (not viable). He may have been here for ages before Sophia and Thomas ever came over with the EBE's. In answer to you, JT.. it could be Dempsey that can threaten both of them that much.

Just Thinking said...

Well, good. At least there are some things I'd like to know.

ObFuSc8 said...

Yeah, I don't usually put too much stock into the promos either, but that last scene had Sophia and Thomas in the same room with POTUS, though I guess Sophia could have been there against her wishes too.

Thomas said something like "This planet is our home, and we're gonna seize it before it's too late." Maybe something(s) humans do eventually lead to Earth becoming inviable?

Black Swan said...

I know, promos are often misleading. Good catch on that, Ob. If there's something about timelines and black holes and such, wouldn't it be cool if the 'Aliens' are just humans from the future who had to escape Earth because of some kind of catastrophe that happened here? Maybe we should be taking what Thomas says literally; that this planet IS their home.. just in a different timeline.

ObFuSc8 said...

Swan -- I've heard that The 4400 had a similar plotline.

We've been wondering about Sophia/Thomas' ppl being from an ALT since we learned how similar they are genetically.

If Earth were to become inviable, it would be an interesting twist if something Thomas did/introduced to speed up human scientific advancements ends up being a significant contributing factor.

maven said...

Glad to see a lot of comments...watching it now!

SG_Tess said...

maven
Enjoy, they were pretty good episodes.

Black Swan said...

I never saw the 4400, Ob. Sounds interesting, but I would hope that I get my mind blown here with something totally original, LOL.

It would be an interesting twist that it was something Thomas did to speed up our technology that brings us to an early demise. That boy is a real wild-card in this.

It's weird, but when I was watching Dempsey moving the playing pieces on that rock tablet thingy, I got the sudden feeling that he's actually somebody that we are seeing in the present, like either Thomas or Shawn but older. OK, now you know I'm crazy, LOL.

ObFuSc8 said...

Swan, I got the same feeling watching Dempsey in that scene -- as if he was "moving" someone, Shaun maybe?

SG_Tess said...

Like he was moving Sean into his timeline, manipulating time in someway.

Black Swan said...

Cool, so maybe I'm not crazy?!? My first instinct was Shawn/Shaun/Sean.. :)

I've been watching episode 8 looking for this pic of Dempsey looking at himself in the mirror moments after drinking some of his 'herbal sweetener'. I'd like to post it here, but can't find those HTML tags that used to be here at the bottom of the comment box. Where did that go? hmmm. guess this will work:
http://img218.imageshack.us/i/theeventdempseylookingi.jpg/

They hint at him knowing the future, but is he creating the future?? I have a friend who always called the Man in Black (MIB) the Man in Locke (MIL). I wanna know who is the Man in Dempsey, LOL.

ObFuSc8 said...

Dempsey manipulating or creating the future would bring up problems with paradox, if he is from our future. Dempsey may have knowledge of multiple possible futures and their probabilities (like Dyson Frost did in FlashForward) and that board may have been away of keeping track of events.

ObFuSc8 said...

This probably doesn't mean anything since Amala, the country where Thomas built the missile/rocket launch facility, is fictional but I thought it was funny that they were speaking Hindi in those scenes.

Black Swan said...

Could be, Ob. I got the feeling that board was to keep track of things too.

Thinking of NGC 253 and the possibility of black holes, I googled the words, black hole portal, and this is the first article that showed up:

From:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11745-could-black-holes-be-portals-to-other-universes.html

"The objects scientists think are black holes could instead be wormholes leading to other universes, a new study says. If so, it would help resolve a quantum conundrum known as the black hole information paradox, but critics say it would also raise new problems, such as how the wormholes would form in the first place.

A black hole is an object with such a powerful gravitational field that nothing, not even light, can escape it if it strays within a boundary known as the EVENT HORIZON. Einstein's theory of general relativity says black holes should form whenever matter is squeezed into a small enough space.....

Wormholes are warps in the fabric of space-time that connect one place to another. If you imagine the universe as a two-dimensional sheet, you can picture a wormhole as a "throat" connecting our sheet to another one. In this scenario, the other sheet could be a universe of its own, with its own stars, galaxies and planets.

Damour and Solodukhin studied what such a wormhole might look like, and were surprised to discover that it would mimic a black hole so well that it would be virtually impossible to tell the difference."

"Hawking radiation:

Matter would swirl around a wormhole in the same way as for a black hole, since both objects distort the space around them in the same way.

One might hope to distinguish the two by something called Hawking radiation, an emission of particles and light which should only come from black holes and would have a characteristic energy spectrum. But this radiation is so weak that it would be completely swamped by other sources, such as the background glow of microwaves left over from the big bang, making it unobservable in practice.

Another difference one might hope to exploit is that unlike black holes, wormholes have no EVENT HORIZON. This means that things could go in a wormhole and come back out again. In fact, theorists say one variety of wormhole wraps back onto itself, so that it leads not to another universe, but back to its own entrance."

I added the capital letters to the words, EVENT HORIZON, just because this show is called The Event, LOL.
Where the heck is Capcom?!?

maven said...

Just finished! A lot of questions, intrigue, twists and lots of potential finally!

Dempsey certainly seems to be playing some bizarre game of time lines intersecting each other. And the "map" seems very ancient to me. He seems to be the Jacob/MIB of this whole thing.

And I can't believe that no satellite noticed that portal FDW in the Himalayas!

Happy there's some resolution to the Sean/Leila lame story line!

The Dempsey story line is enough to get me to come back!

Black Swan said...

Oh, sorry... that was kind of long there. I was copy/pasting like crazy, LOL.

Namaste, Ob :)

SG_Tess said...

Swan
zort didn't put those html tags on this blog. They were on the Lost blogs. That's why I didn't link my addy I always get that one part backwards and I didn't want to go look up the tag.

SG_Tess said...

Swan
BTW my avi is a black hole event horizon. :)

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Black Swan said...

Oh, how very cool is your avi, SG?!? Love it! Sorry that I hadn't noticed. (and I wish Zort would bring back the HTML tags for us)

Maven, I got the same feelings as you with Dempsey and his 'game' of intersecting timelines. That 'map' is on a tablet of stone, giving me the same feeling of being ancient. I also said Dempsey seems to be the Jacob/MIB of this show and I agree that this story line is fascinating.

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SG_Tess said...

I've been trying Swan.

But I can't find a way to post it without it making a link or it not accepting the tag and not posting.

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SG_Tess said...

I don't know if black holes will be important to the show or not, but it would be cool if they were.

Last fall when I watched the promo online and seen the airplane disappear I chose my avi.

ObFuSc8 said...

There were markings that looked like runes on Dempsey's board/table.

Maven -- I suspect Thomas's ppl were using the same tech to shield their portal from satellites that they used to keep their missile/rocket launch facility in Amala hidden.

An unknown rocket launch from a small country would not have gone unnoticed by other countries. I would have expected more in the way of reactions from UK, India, China, Russia, etc.

I'm also surprised they keep showing Sean keeps using his cell phone the way he does. You'd think hacker boy would be smarter.

ObFuSc8 said...

Aren't links working?

Test Young Dempsey Pic

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ObFuSc8 said...

Tee hee, I tried to type the HTML code for links, but it kept just posting a blank link instead. Doh.

Here's a link to a LOST ARGs comment page that has the code at the bottom.

link

ObFuSc8 said...

Has anything come of those SEC #'s they found with the list of the Hybrid girls names? Was someone hiding account in their names?

I find myself wishing they'd do more with the Truthseeker blog. All they've done is post little snippets of stuff that's already happened or that we know will happen. Was the audio of Thomas' broadcast actually decryptable?

Black Swan said...

Oh, thanks, Ob!!!

hey, this should be post # 108 :)

Black Swan said...

YES, YES, YES!! I was comment #108!!!!!!! (doing the happy dance while yawning at the same time)..

And on that note, good-night all! It was fun and I can't wait 'til next week when I hope we see hacker boy ditching his phone and meeting up with Dempsey! That would be cool and I think the game board would split in two or something.

Zort70 said...

The posting tips are back !

Good discussion all, and we finally have something concrete about the origins of the aliens (should we call them aliens ?)

They may yet come from another universe or from Earth originally, but we potentially know where the other end of the rabbit / worm hole is.

So they came to Earth to create the portal so they can travel between the two points. I'm assuming they came in a normal type of spaceship when they crashed as the portal wasn't available yet.

i.e. they were tasked with delivering the portal to Earth, maybe they were given an immortality gene / treatment because they knew the journey would take a long time ? However if they left that long ago, Earth would have been even less developed. Assuming they travelled at sub light speed how would they know to come ?

Zort70 said...

I'll upload some screenshots in a little while.

SG_Tess said...

I found if strange that Maya told Sterling that part of our mission wasn't violent. Does that mean there was a part of fhe mission that was violent? And whY exactly is their mission.

I think the guy building the array said something like they just uncovered it or unburied it. So I think that may be why it had never been noticed before. Now thar they' sent up fhe satellite they don't care if it's noticed. They don't think they can be stopped.

It seems Dempsey can experience time, past, present and future all at once.

Zort70 said...

I'll check on what he said as I've got the episode on my computer.

I've just changed the background on the site temporarily to a shot of NGC235.

Zort70 said...

I'm still not 100% sure what that word is. I've listened several times I can't quite make it out.

However I think it is "Bearing" which is an engineering term I don't think it is Unburying.

"Just finished (bearing) the superstructure yesterday"

Talking of the array, there seems to be an outer circle and 9 struts, the center dish part doesn't seem to be central.

I'll see if I can draw it out in a plan view.

Zort70 said...

I think this is a close approximation of how the array looks

Click here

SG_Tess said...

Thanks for checking zort. That's probably right. It sounds more logical anyway.

maven said...

I'm really liking where this is going. It's reminding me of Fringe...two universes...slightly different.

SG_Tess said...

Hey guys maybe I'm slow but I've been rewatching the scene with Dempsey and his table of destiny and realized that he took Sean's stone/marker from the smaller table and put it on the bigger one.

SG_Tess said...

Could what Dempsey has written on his tablet be genetic coding? Is that what he's testing the girls for? He's looking for a certain gene or is trying to manipulate their genetics?

Hey maybe he's everyone's grand dad. lol

Zort70 said...

Just seen that the NBC twitter are asking for questions for Nick Wauters.

Anyone got any good ones ?

K said...

I heard 'burying' as I was watching it but bearing does make more sense I guess - since it would be odd to bury something before you used it.

I would have thought that the big failsafe would have involved blowing the prison up, not just resetting the passcodes. I mean, if you think the non-terrestrials might be hostile, wouldn't you want to have some system to keep them from ever, ever getting out? I thought that was odd.

I also wondered when Dempsey said that 'when you're as old as I am' - I couldn't help but think that if the non-terrestrials age at a very slow rate. . .how old would Dempsey be if he's a non-terrestrial. . .like maybe he could be much much older than even Sophia and company. . .and maybe he's been here much longer than the 60 or so years that they've been here. Would be oddly interesting if he turned out to be a good guy. . .even though drinking essense of little girl does seem to point in a different direction. . .

K said...

Forgot to subscribe. . .